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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2017.02.25 10:28:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:They will announce it's release date at fanfest I'm sure, they had all the time in the world to make progress from that demo last time, they couldn't possibly have just scrapped it, could they?
Just because they did not scrap it does not mean they'll be releasing or even announcing a release.
Will it mentioned? Most likely. Will it be anything notable substantial? I wouldn't get your hopes up.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2017.02.25 22:16:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:They will announce it's release date at fanfest I'm sure, they had all the time in the world to make progress from that demo last time, they couldn't possibly have just scrapped it, could they? Just because they did not scrap it does not mean they'll be releasing or even announcing a release. Will it mentioned? Most likely. Will it be anything notable substantial? I wouldn't get your hopes up. Surely after a year of working on it they should have something substantial to mention. Especially when they had that demo that ran pretty good.
Well they probably will have a bit over a year worth of work done.
However you seem to forget, just because there is stuff to talk about, does not mean that CCP higher ups want them to talk about it yet. Most likely they're going to hold off until they have a near complete package before they really start releasing information. That way its much easier to say "Here is everything the game will encompass" rather than "Well this is X% of what the game will encompass" and then people go wild with speculation to what the rest will be, drum up false expectations, and then be upset when those (likely unreasonable) expectations are not met.
Keep in mind that Nova is likely in a very precarious position, and bad press/public reaction to anything they release could be lethal to the project. They're going to play this one incredibly close to the chest and not show off much till they already have it done, and they're not going to show off an incomplete project.
People have....colorful expectations already of what Nova will be. Many compare it to Dust, and honestly I think it will actually have some pretty big differences. If I was a Dev, Id want to be able to show players a compete package so they can see the big picture, rather than part of the picture and be subject to outrage because "OMG WE CANT HANDLE CHANGE!!!" rather than perhaps seeing the whole thing and thinking "Well....that's different, but seeing all of it....I get it, and I'm ok with it"
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2017.02.25 22:24:00 -
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TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:Echo 1991 wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:TooMany Names AlreadyTaken wrote:They will announce it's release date at fanfest I'm sure, they had all the time in the world to make progress from that demo last time, they couldn't possibly have just scrapped it, could they? Just because they did not scrap it does not mean they'll be releasing or even announcing a release. Will it mentioned? Most likely. Will it be anything notable substantial? I wouldn't get your hopes up. Surely after a year of working on it they should have something substantial to mention. Especially when they had that demo that ran pretty good. Pokey and his relentless pessimism...
Just basing predictions off of all the available information. I think in general the project is something you should be optimistic about, but I wouldn't let your imagination run wild with expectations for Fanfest. I think you'll be happy to see something, but I wouldn't get too crazy with thoughts of Alpha or release dates.
Keep in mind that CCP is still publicly stating that this is a "Project" and not a "Game". And while I think....a lot of that is PR related and likely not entirely accurate to the actual state of the game in the eyes of the company from an internal perspective, it does speak to the fact that they're obviously not publicly going to commit to much at this stage. That being said, we're a little over a month away from Fanfest, and I don't see that stance changing drastically in that amount of time.
And a bit more on my previous post, let's consider the feedback regarding the demo. If I had to sum it up, it would be something like:
"It felt good to play, but pretty generic. We'd like to see what more it can offer and what makes it distinctively a 'CCP New Eden' game"
I think the second bit is particularly important. The next time they show off the game in detail, they absolutely need to address the "what makes it distinctively a New Eden game?". And honestly, that can be a pretty high bar to hurdle. Using EVE and an example, that is an incredibly large game in terms of depth and width. While I dont expect Nova to really come anywhere near the scope of EVE (consider thats a game over 10 years in the making) it does need to land somewhere between "COD in Space" and "EVE Online"; likely more towards the latter. That being said, they really need a complete picture to show off so people understand the depth and breadth of the game and go "Ahhh ok, I get it, it really is different from other shooters!"
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2017.02.26 00:47:00 -
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Maken Tosch wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:
And a bit more on my previous post, let's consider the feedback regarding the demo. If I had to sum it up, it would be something like:
"It felt good to play, but pretty generic. We'd like to see what more it can offer and what makes it distinctively a 'CCP New Eden' game"
Back then, when Nova was first announced and demoed, everyone here in the forums was practically ok with generic simply because we were all surprised that it had minimal lag, was operating on a Steam Client with Unreal Engine 4 while connected to a server in Germany as Dennie Fleetfoot pointed out. All of this while running very smoothly for a seemingly hectic fight. Considering the hell we all went through with Dust 514 from closed beta to open beta all the way to its shutdown, we were far more happy with "generic but stable" rather than "different but messy." Of course, that was a long time ago. Now? The next time when we hear about Nova, a lot of us here no longer want to hear "generic but stable" and instead we want to hear "stable AND different." After all this time since the news, I don't want to see a generic shooter anymore.
Indeed. We are sadly conditioned to expect very little in terms of performance and are thus impressed if it runs half decently haha. Regardless though, the game has to perform in the upper percentile for non-dust vets to even give it the time of day, especially on PC. And once they have that, the really must make it feel different, particularly if the target market is FTP FPS games....you really gotta stand out in order to succeed.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2017.02.26 01:50:00 -
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Russel Moralles wrote:
If they have to start from scratch that will take them 2 to 3 years to build.
And when did they start on making nova.
I think I need to do something else till then.
Well there still is the dustforums.
Yey.
Assume about 1.5 years of production (including the time spent to develop the tech demo)
Also assume the reuse of a lot of assets from Dust.
Draw you conclusions from that.
Also, yes, go do something else. Not like the game will go away.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2017.02.26 10:45:00 -
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Shadow Player wrote:james selim brownstein wrote:As I've said before, if they don't announce anything at FanFest, their cheeseburger supply will disappear. That's what I'm talking about. They develop it for 1.5 year and with the assets of DUST. They should release a beta after FANFEST.
What has brought you to that conclusion? Do you know the scope of the game? What features are being included? How do you know that 1.5 years is sufficient time to complete everything they have planned for the beta?
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2017.02.26 17:59:00 -
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Shadow Player wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Shadow Player wrote:james selim brownstein wrote:As I've said before, if they don't announce anything at FanFest, their cheeseburger supply will disappear. That's what I'm talking about. They develop it for 1.5 year and with the assets of DUST. They should release a beta after FANFEST. What has brought you to that conclusion? Do you know the scope of the game? What features are being included? How do you know that 1.5 years is sufficient time to complete everything they have planned for the beta? Hmmm, let me think... they don't work on DUST anymore, and they have its assets. So 1.5 - 2 years are enough for a beta.
You're making quite a few large assumptions in that statement. Hopefully you won't be too dissapointment.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2017.02.27 03:34:00 -
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Shadow Player wrote:Djinn SouI wrote:Get your anti depressant pills ready then I don't think so. They developed that demo in 6 months so I 80% think we'll get a beta.
CCP won't even acknowledge that's an actual game, they're still sticking to a very non-committal "It's just a project and not a sure thing". I just don't see them going from that public stance to "oh hai, here is a Beta" in a month.
Hell the game will likely need to go through a Closed alpha first.
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Posted - 2017.02.27 03:59:00 -
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Djinn SouI wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:Shadow Player wrote:Djinn SouI wrote:Get your anti depressant pills ready then I don't think so. They developed that demo in 6 months so I 80% think we'll get a beta. CCP won't even acknowledge that's an actual game, they're still sticking to a very non-committal "It's just a project and not a sure thing". I just don't see them going from that public stance to "oh hai, here is a Beta" in a month. Hell the game will likely need to go through a Closed alpha first. It's alright Poke, these idiots will be idiots. Let them suffer in their expectation that will result in heartbreak.
Hey now, no one is an idiot for feeling that way. I just don't want people to misunderstand the situation and feel let down.
As I said, be optimistic about the project as a whole, just don't have too high of expectations for the immediate future.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2017.02.27 05:04:00 -
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Djinn SouI wrote:Optimistic about a CCP FPS game? No. I will not be optimistic, far from it, CCP has burned us in the past.
YOU MUST OBEY MY OVERPOWERING SOUL! I WILL LINK THE FLAME AND PROLONG THE AGE OF OPTIMISM!
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2017.02.27 06:45:00 -
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Viktor Hadah Jr wrote:I don't get this prototype not really a game yet claim.
Just from a business stand point you can't for 2-3 years be going "IDK maybe we will do something with the millions upon millions of dollars we are putting into this project, or maybe we will just throw it in the garbage."
At this CCP is either doing something with Nova or they are not.
I pick up a fruit from behind a curtain.
No one can see what I really have in my hand, but I tell you "It's an apple. I'm holding an apple"
It may be an apple.
It may be an orange.
The thing is, you wont know what it really is until you see it.
But what you do know, is that for now, Im only willing to tell you it's an apple.
Try to think of it like that.
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Pokey Dravon
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Posted - 2017.02.27 23:14:00 -
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DUST Fiend wrote:Pokey Dravon wrote:be optimistic about the project as a whole
No
I'll allow it if it's you, senpai.
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Posted - 2017.02.28 15:21:00 -
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Echo 1991 wrote:BigStuarty wrote:Just chucking something in. PS4. XBOX now are pcs . There has been a contact by Microsoft to Sony about linking games. This hasn't been rejected but obviously a major step in gaming which of course naturally affects PC. The issue of course is modding so basically this will have to code tight. So maybe CCP are evaluating cross platform..the outcome of the above and how it would work. There is a lot a stake. If they get it right they will have a FPS to slay everything. There is a lot at stake. They have a product its how they implement it. For all Dust was. No other FPS gave us what it produced no matter the faults but in balance CCPs balls were wrecked for it. ... They wont do it purely cos they need to ask Sony and Microsoft for approval before patches can be put on to those systems. They dont want to go through all that hassle and is probably not on the cards at this point.
I dont think the idea of cross platform is completely off the table. However, initially, not a chance in hell. Theres no way they would want initial development to be held back by patching delays. Doing it all on PC first is far better, then talking about porting later on.
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